38 special 125 grain load data bullseye
32 S&W Long 15,000 This wire is then fed into a machine called a cold header. You are absolutely correct. In a nutshell & I mean very short version. At 25 you can get away with a lighter load. . I dont miss lubing casescarbide is king! May 15, 2012. kc2za said: Hi All, I have been loading .38 spl with 2.7 gr. Just want to state for the record, that with one of the more heavy duty Corbin presses it is possible to easily swage some hard cast bullets. I keep thinking about trading it for a Model 27 or, maybe, one of the new Pythons for extra weight. I have found that some powder coated bullets which are the same weight as lead, feel quite punchy out of the gun. Not all guns are created equal. each bullet is different for oal due to a crimp groove on most. Now, you have to go to a range or have a membership and pay to fill the backstop with lead. Last time we took it to the range, I was trying to cycle the old +P ammo to load standard Lehigh ammo, I fired one shot, put the gun down and cursed while shaking my hand. The range (understandably) insisted you shoot their ammunition and the mildest they had was 158 grain LRN standard pressure. 2.) would also bridge the gap that the .38 versus .357 have in defensive loads. Youre describing Remington Multiball ammunition (R357MB)- I used to carry that stuff decades ago. Most notably the lighter weight bullets. I carry my M642 extensively, but I only shoot it occasionally because it is a snappy little b!tch with standard loads. That blunt-ended bullet cut a clean hole all the way through whatever its modest velocity allowed it to penetrate. Their biggest use is in making screws and small bolts. I have some W231 that I use for my .38 super. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up. There is a difference in the manufacturing process of swaged bullets. All right are Reserved Reload Ammo, Reloading The .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol), hi=849 lo=728 ES=122 (powder up and down), hi=821 lo=684 ES=137 (powder up and down), hi=815 lo=637 ES=178 (powder in normal positions), hi=714 lo=549 ES=165 (powder up and down), hi=758 lo=693 ES=65 (powder up and down)(DO NOT USE LESS), Hi=886, Lo=861, ES=25 (This is a Carolina Cast bullet SWC-great cowboy load), hi=859 lo=743 ES=116 *(my personal medium load), hi=875 lo=685 ES=190.2(powder up and down), hi=710 lo=497 ES=213 (powder up and down), hi=791 lo=625 ES=166 (Powder up and down), hi=785 lo=670 ES=115 (powder up and down), hi=801, low=766 ES=35.32 in Contender 14 bbl. And if youre doing that [shooting 158 grain bullets at 1200 fps muzzle velocity] with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. Classics go well together: circa 1909 S&W .38 Special and traditional 148-grain wadcutter load of 2.7 grains of Bullseye. I agree, an airweight has snappy recoil. 594/600 at the real distances of 24 rnds at 50 yds, 24 rnds at 25 yes, and 12 rnds at 7.5 yds. My grandkids think Im pulling their leg, when I tell them about the freedoms that NIMBYs took away. Recoil is subjective and I feel no difference between that and an 750-775 fps load. Is it more bulky? I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. I can usually keep 1.5" groups with it at 25 yards if I do my part. 110gr JHP! We look at three classics: one each in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm. .38 Special (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 353 loads. Speer .38 shot cup, 5 grains of UNIQUE, and (3) #1 Buckshot pellets dates back to the 70s as a Junk Yard Dog load. I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. Good thing I didn't go with the original powder charge I intended to use. Click there and go to the load data lookup section . Thanks for the start load Power Pistol will run lower pressures for the same velocity than W-W 231. It seems to burn completely in the .38 and is not as critical as the faster powders like Bullseye. Ive done the majority of shooting in .38 Special in my Smith & Wesson 642. Zero 158 grain swaged SWC, Starline brass, Winchester or Federal primer, 2.8 grains of Bullseye, roll crimp. I found some data for 148 and 158 gr bullets but no published data on the 125s. How can I tell if they are cast or swaged? Depends on what kind of load you're after. Compac for my little finger to wrap around under the butt. Forget about it. The cases are large enough that they can be easily manipulated by inexperienced hands and yet small enough to not require much force in the sizing stage. Posted March 19, 2015. People who prepare usually tend to focus on the survival basics: security/self-defense, water, food, first aid, sanitation/hygiene, knowing when to get out and when to stay put. The load is a great learning tool in .45 for beginner and experienced alike. ES 56 SD 24 PMC Eldorado Starfire +P 125 gr. As I researched loads in the meantime, I kept seeing the same several popping up again and again in sources from as recent as yesterday to long out of print books from when air travel was a newfangled wonder. I just got some clays which I heard was very clean burning compare to bullseye. Jacketed bullets are legal for DR, as long as they are 158 grain round nose or semi-wadcutter. Powders include IMR, Hodgdon, Alliant, Vihtavuori, Winchester, Accurate This is my plink load for the kids. So . Enter 38 Special. 4.2 gr. Bullseye is primarily associated with .38 and .45after all, it says right on the bottle: Great for .38 Special and .45 Auto target loads. But it is equally at home in high-velocity auto loads. Is it considered safe to down load a cartridge that far under starting? You can post now and register later. Have you all found different seat depths to work better than what's in the manual? Display as a link instead, I would say I completely disagree with you on ever even contemplating using a revolver for self defense unless you are a person that has never owned a gun and not likely ever to practice with it. I'm still hunting for a DR load for my S&W M19-5. Use the lead bullet loads with the plated and you will be fine. Its hard to find those swaged SWCs and hollow point bullets anyone; it seems everyone is only interested in hard cast for velocity and penetration. 5, #2230, and #2460 are products of Accurate Arms Company Ive saved all my .38 brass over the last couple of years for whenever I find time to get into reloading. 3 1/2" average not included flyers which seem to happen on every group test. .38 Special (Alliant Data) Warning! Prefer to use the CT model 305 laser grips in lieu of S&W grips. If I get to see him shoot those loads, it would be worth the price of a new keyboard! I've tried Berry's plated as well as Remington. Caveat: I have decided that I want to be prepared for threat scenarios that include stopping a terrorist or spree-killer (the odds of which I fully recognize is statistically zero). Thats what the Cavalry Board asked for over a century ago, and thats what weve got. In a day you can make over 100,000 bullets. Even slower powders may provide more consistent speeds and will be tested in the future (No. Thats a pretty clear explanation and comparison of the NEEDS of the strength of the chamber for each caliber. I once had to quote the South Carolina Supreme Court when they had spelled it loathe., Regards, Its the kind of load that will make you fall in love with the 1911 all over again! Softer alloys of lead are just easier on the machinery. My other son fired one shot and handed it back. Everyone here who has tried plated bullets including myself, have had disappointing results in accuracy. ,I looked at Speer data, nothing there. The .38 with careful selection of components can be the cats as* for almost any shooter. RN, 160 gr. What overal length of the cartridge? If there is a search function for these forums (didn't see one) I'd be happy to use that too Go to the Alliant website and find the data for Unique and Bullseye. All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special. June 13, 2016 in 9mm/38 Caliber. A light target load, which tends to be very accurate, is about 3.1 grains, with a 158 grain bullet. And if youre doing that with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. But for plinking, they'd be fine. Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. Similarly on drills with set times such as firing five shots in five seconds onto a bull at ten yards, the Bullseye load allows a little more time per shot to take advantage of a great 1911 trigger and lets the shooter nearly push shots into the same hole. You may find it will need to be faster for good 50 yd. +P? If you're looking for a real light load that's easy to shoot, I'd just use WW's data for the W231 with a 125 gr. Reloading for it came next and it has since become my favorite pistol cartridge. more weight than the similar size CA .44 Bulldog, were available, a lot more people would also like the .44 spl. Just dont shoot a rabbit with this load if you want to be able to eat any of it. The swaged bullets are soft enough that they expand even at mild velocities where a JHP or hard cast cant. No. Super cheap and easy to make and would likely be a very effective defense ammo against wildlife that might be a threat to me as the two balls will spread an inch or two from each other at close range. 125 gr plated or 125 gr lead RN. Not sure how that translates to Bullseye powder. Loath and Loathe are different words that mean different things. It also shows that the loads were established using a 6" barrel, so regardless of what any published data shows, the chances of ever finding published data for the exact projectile and barrel length you are using, as well as the exact conditions you will be shooting in, would be nearly impossible. Here is the dillema: The Lyman manual says starting load is 3.2 grains and MAX. : 1,266 1,472 Press. The 9mm produces about 35,000 psi, The .38 Special remains very popular for personal protection and Michelle Hamilton shares her thoughts on the top loads for concealed carry, like this 158-grain SWCHP FBI Load, based on her testing. Classic loads are economical. I used to reload .38s and .357s with 158 grain LSWC bullets over 4.3 and 6.5 grains of Unique. This load tends to clock about 670 feet-per-second (fps) give or take 20, depending on the exact brand of wadcutter and the revolver its fired in. 158 gr. Good point Len. Anyone that uses a J frame S&W should seriously think about swapping grips, and finding which set works for them. Content . I dont own anything in .38 special yet, but I have plans to buy a .357 magnum revolver in near future, so I already reloaded couple thousands of rounds in .38 and .357. Its worth mentioning that loaders do all kinds of obsessive rituals to squeeze the groups down. I load a hard cast 125gn for my 38 special all the time. My best group was .9 inch out of a Model 15. Bullseye and NRA Distinguished Revolver Ive been loading 158gr FMJ with Titegroup and the only problem Ive had is getting the seating depth right after the die locknut slipped. Winchester only published load for WST in 38 special using lead bullets if you look at the data for the 158 data the start load goes from 3.3 Gr and a max load of 3.7 Gr. I wanted a good carry gun that was light and reliable, so I decided that the .38 would fit and I just went with it. Ive loaded some wadcutters to the point of being flush with the case mouth and big lead bullets almost to the front of the cylinder. I'm not looking to blow up my old model 10. Generally, I'm looking for a load that produces accuracy from approx. JHP, 158 gr. Handload: 158 grain round nose lead /3.8 grains Bullseye MV 775 fps ME 210 ft./lbs. I had ammo for some friends as low as 600 fps. There are many fun uses for buckshot. IF YOU ARE USING SWAGED 158GR BULLETS 3.1 WILL WORK, IF USING HARD CAST 3.3 IS NEEDED. I could knock out a pretty substantial chunk of my shooting needs with only these three loads. The Speer #8 lists a max of 7.5 grs Unique with a 125 gr Jacketed SP This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 . I just dont like practicing with it. Ive long since changed to a press, but that Lee Loader in its cardboard box is still in a storage box for obsolescent reloading gear. But I found 2.4 and 2.7 interesting at 25 yards off the sandbags. So it is my gut feeling that Winchester found it to be touchy in smaller calibers like 38 special and 9mm Luger. of Bullseye, 148 gr lead DEWC and Federal 100 primers. The 38 Special Ball round was designed a long time ago to comply with specifications laid down for ammo that was : 1) Compliant with the Hague Accords of 1907 in regard to "unnecessarily" injurious ammunition. I have found that if you go down too low in charge you will have some ignition issues occasionally. Reducing consumables (and therefore cost) that much more is definitely appealing to me. * A GI surplus 1911 that puts most loads into dinner-plate sized groups cut 3.8 inches with the classic recipewhich is probably the only time Ive gotten excited about an almost four-inch group! Bullseye 3.2gr / 763fps --> 4.2gr / 892fps (max), Unique 4.3gr / 773fps --> 5.3gr / 944fps (max), 231 3.9gr / 733fps --> 4.8gr / 896pfs (max). There is one good reason to use WST. I did find a 145 grain Lead HP with a rounded ogive (like the last NyClad) on Gunbroker that opens really well if you get above 800 fps. of Bullseye with Lee's 125gr RN mold in a 38 special with so-so accuracy. i had the same issues you did when i was trying to load for my DR revolver 14-3. to light of power had a soft recoil but ungodly bad accuracy. I, like Spartacus, find the SAAMI recommendations an interesting spec for comparative purposes. I like Bullseye in the 38 Special, and it was a consistent performer with the 125 grain bullets. (Note H110 & W296 are the same as of 2008 as is HP-38 & W231), (IMR 4227 is same as H-4227 if made in Australia), * Blackhorn 209 is a black powder substitute with smokeless like qualities. That's usually +P power level in .38 Special. I recently bought trail boss and it runs fine out of my 14-3. (Cowboy Action) 38 Special (Cowboy Action) 38-40 Win. I fired 3 Remington 125 SJHP 357s from a 340 and thought i had nerve damage in my hand. My son asked if I wanted him to help, then fired one shot and handed it back. i use a Lee mold 150 round nose with 4 grains of bullseye crimped into the crimp groove of the bullet. I just bought some 158 gr SWC bullets that are pure lead. The 36s greater weight makes it much easier to shoot than the 638. Required fields are marked *. The 125 Hornady XTP, a jacketed hollow point bullet that can easily handle 1500 fps velocities. I'm new to reloading, starting off with a single stage Lee press reloading .38 special and .357 magnum with Lee's 4 die carbide set. Nickle cases look pretty but dont seem to take the number of resizings that plain brass cases do. Some medium fast powders would work with lighter weight bullets. JHP (now discontinued) 5 rounds . SWC+GC, No offense sir but those charges look low for Unique. These are hand loads.. load data was published in Lyman 50th edition.. Some use powders dispersed in liquids, some use electrostatic guns to spray dry powder on their bullets. The design of this modern revolver makes the SW guns seem archaic. Me too! Brass collection is easy since it doesnt eject. Im not recommending that you carry the Bullseye load, but dont feel as if you are going to tactical purgatory for enjoying this load, either. If there is only ONE load, it is MAX. After making a healthy pile of brass with this load, I am unlikely to ever be without a few boxes of it on standby.